Monday, May 13, 2013

Why We Left



My intention with doing this blog post is to help some of our friends/family (mainly our LDS friends/family) understand why we decided to leave the LDS church. My hope is that once you understand our reasons that less judgment will be made on our clothing, attire, and anything else that we may do.  This will be the only time that I will mention some of our reasons. I’m not really sure how many followers we have but please know that my intention is not to offend you.

The year before we made the decision to finally leave the church I was struggling with my own testimony and life in general. But as a Young Women Presidency we decided to have a Book of Mormon Night and to challenge each of the young women to read the Book of Mormon straight through. I took this challenge very serious and studied the Book of Mormon with all my heart like I had never done before and never received any sort of answer. I was saddened to not receive the answer I was hoping for. I tell you all this so that you may know that I really did try to stay with the LDS faith.

This decision was something that was not made quickly or in hast but was one that was made with lots of thought and prayer. Joseph and I have both vented various frustrations to each other over the years, often after church on Sundays. While I loved being in Young Women for almost 5 years and I loved those girls with all my heart, I did struggle some Sundays with the lessons that were given because of the content of the material. The teachers were all wonderful and did an awesome job teaching, it was just the content in the manuals that would bother me.

Then last September or so I stumbled upon a modesty blog that a friend had posted on Facebook. It was a very well written article and it expressed a lot about how I feel. This is what got Joseph and me officially into looking at other concerns about the LDS church. Then in October Joseph showed me a few other things he had found out about the church and I was in shock as I began reading. It wasn’t long after that, maybe 2 weeks that we decided that we would be leaving the church.I first asked to be released as Young Women President in December and then we began phasing the church out by only attending once in a while until mid Feb when we attended our last meeting. It was very difficult sitting through church meetings listening to lies.

The reaction from our Bishop and Stake President was one of shock sadness [EDIT: SP came to visit and corrected this part] when we told them that we would no longer be attending church and that we no longer believed the church to be the one and only. We had been prominent members of the ward and had both served in leadership callings. A few of our friends were also shocked has the news spread because we didn’t seem like the kind of family that would just up and leave. But Joseph and I reached a point where we just couldn’t pretend anymore.
Please read our concerns with caution because some of what I write may cause you to question your own faith. 

Temple

·         The Endowment was copied mainly from a mason ritual

·         The Endowment has changed considerably since its introduction, most recently in 1990, when it dropped the penalties, 5 points of fellowship, and a significant part played by a Christian minister. This was brought about by a survey given to temple attendees.

·         Initiatory was changed in 2005 to what Mormons accuse Catholics of doing with baptism.

·         Garments have been slowly changing over the years to accommodate fashion changes.

·         The endowment’s order of the creation conflicts with the BoA and Genesis

Book of Mormon

·         The Book of Mormon was translated by a seer stone put into a hat, not the “Nephite interpreters,” and the plates weren’t in the room most of the time.  Why aren’t we taught this in church? Documentation for this can be found on lds.org

·         The BoM cites references to things not found in the new world until Columbus’ time, such as: horses, cattle, oxen, donkeys, goats, wheels, chariots, barley, wheat, and steel.

·         There are a lot of population logistics that don’t work out. For example, the time it takes to go from a group of about 20 to millions of people is shown to be in a few hundred years’ time.

·         Some of the English mistranslations from the KJV of the Bible are in the BoM, including the name Lucifer.

·         Some of the parts are copied from the Bible (like the Sermon on the Mount), and are supposed to be a more pure and plain source because it hasn’t gone through the many translations that the Bible was subjected to. But then they were corrected in the JST. Which version is right?

·         Other parts are taken from other sources, most prominently “A View of the Hebrews,” by Ethan Smith (no relation to Joseph).

·         The text of the BoM has changed over the years. While it is true that many of the changes are punctuation and grammatical in nature, there have been some pretty significant changes in the doctrine as well. In fact Joseph confirmed this with an Original Copy replica he bought just after he got home from my mission.

·         DNA studies on Native Americans show they are of Asiatic descent, not Hebrew.

·         There hasn’t been a single Nephite artifact ever recovered, nor any other archeological evidence that there was any kind of civilization resembling what is described in the BoM.

·         A map of the New York/Great Lakes area has place names and locations that match up pretty well with a map of the BoM’s cities/lands.


First Vision

·         The First Vision was not taught in church until 22 years after it happened.What we now call Moroni’s visit was referred to as his first vision during the early years of the church.

·         There are 4 “official” versions of it, all of which differ in the details. The accounts contradict each other on certain points. Many other unofficial versions exist.

·         In The Messenger and the Advocate, a church newspaper, Joseph Smith wrote that in 1823 he was praying to find out if a supreme being existed. One would think that after seeing two supreme beings one wouldn’t have to ask again.
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Joseph Smith

·         He was convicted of “glass looking” in a New York court of law. There is enough evidence that it appears he was a clever con man.

·         His own mother described him as being able to fabricate intricate stories about the former inhabitants of this land and have an excellent memory for reciting books.

·         Wilbur Fugate claimed to have found buried plates that he gave to Joseph to translate. Joseph said they were written by a Jaredite descendent of Ham, but then later Wilbur admitted they were a hoax and made by him. Modern testing confirms this.

·         A similar incident happened when someone gave him a Greek Hymnbook (called a Psalter) and he declared it to be a dictionary of Egyptian.

·         The reason he was in Carthage Jail was for destroying a printing press because it was about to expose some of the hidden details of his polygamous marriages that he didn’t want out in the public. Even Dallin Oaks (a lawyer) admits he was breaking the law when he did this.

·         He wasn’t killed for his beliefs or for claiming revelation. Rather, he was killed by a group who was angry at his practice of polygamy and polyandry and for taking their wives while they were out on missions.

·         He didn’t go “like a lamb to the slaughter,” unless lambs are armed with pistols. Joseph fired off at least 3 shots into the mob (some accounts say 4 with 2 misfires).

Others

·         Polyandry – familysearch.org proves JS married other men’s wives while they were out on missions, which goes against the “rules” for polygamy set forth in D&C 132, which, by the way, go against what it says in the BoM and Bible.

·         Polygamy continued well after the 1890 Manifesto, and it was never legal in Illinois as some have claimed. Also, many of the recent church manuals make it seem as if Brigham Young and Joseph Smith were monogamous by omitting certain things.

·         One of Joseph Smith’s wives was 14 years old! He was like Warren Jeffs in that way.

·         The church spent $5Billion dollars on a mall and helped finance it by making members clean their own buildings instead of paying a full-time janitor or letting bishops give out the job in exchange for welfare. It has only spent a total of 1.2 billion on humanitarian aid since 1980

·         Mark Hoffman was able to scam the church and convince them to buy fake documents, which the church tried to suppress. Even Jerald and Sandra Tanner (prominent enemies of the church) figured out that they were fake documents before these “prophets and seers” did.

·         Gordon B. Hinckley lied to press (Larry King, Time, etc.), and Jeffrey R. Holland lied to BBC. When asked if we teach that man can become like God; Hinckley said, “I don’t know that we teach that.” A simple Google search will show this. Why lie? Holland also gets caught in a few lies in a BBC interview done during the election last year.

·         The papyrus for the Book of Abraham was found in 1967, and it’s just a common funeral text, found to be dated about 100 BC, not 2000 BC. This is pretty clear that he was never able to translate Egyptian, and that he pretty much just made it up.

·         The church seems more like a well run business than a church to us. The Great and Spacious Mall is a great example of this.

·         The church recently changed some of the introductions to the scriptures. This is part whitewashes some of the “ugly” history, such as denying the priesthood to blacks, and obscuring the fact that it was taught from the pulpit that Native Americans are Lamanites.

Just like in court cases, it’s best to hear both sides of the story, not just the defense. Most of this can be verified through LDS-friendly websites (lds.org, familysearch.org, etc.), but the best site is http://www.mormonthink.com because it treats each issue like a court case and offers both sides of the story to the reader and lets you decide.  There is also you tube video that is really well done that tells the Top 5 Myths about why people leave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP3GJeYIN3s&safe=active

The preceding examples are just a few of our concerns. We do feel that the church does teach good family values and good standards and we will continue to teach our children those things. I hope that I have not lost any of you has friends and followers but understand if I do. Thank you for hearing us out.

6 comments:

Unknown said...

This was very informative. Thanks for sharing.

Anne said...

Glad to hear!

Unknown said...

It's hard to be open about your true thoughts and feelings in such a LDS-heavy environment.

Anonymous said...

We have recently found all this out ourselves and want to split from the church. Our kids are a bit older than yours (seminary age) and we are taking small steps showing them "the other side of the story". Going well with them. Extended family might be a whole different ball game. It was great to read your story. Hopefully all has been going well for you and your crew since.

Taylor said...

This was interesting to read, it's funny thing things you learn about people through blog land.

Anyway, I'm Taylor, Kelsey's Husband.

Glad you were open and honest about your beliefs and church activity. What have you guys been up to since? Did you find a need to replace the Church with something else? Do you more identify with Christianity or no real affiliation at this point?

I can see from the post some of the reasons you left. Definitely things a great many TBM's have no idea about. It's unfortunate the Church hides and conceals it's history from members. It only shows weakness. There is no point in concealing the truth. It will surface eventually.

For years I watched General Conference hoping to hear a leader speak a message from God. Instead I wondered why their messages were empty, and were less uplifting than many mainstream Christian pastors.

However, despite all that. I think God is still speaking. He's just saying the opposite of what the Church leaders are saying! :)

Taylor

Anne said...

Taylor,

Thanks again to the both of you for your understanding and non-judgmental prospect. You guys are the first active Mormons to be so kind to us.

Anyhow, we had thought in the beginning that we would maybe attend a non-denominational Christian church but ended up not doing so. We came to realize that we enjoyed having that extra time together as a family. But we have gotten involved in a couple Post- Mormon groups. One is more family oriented and they have monthly picnics at different parks once a month during the summer. The other group we were asked to run because we were faithful attendees. We joke that it is our “new calling.” We meet at a local coffee shop every other Sunday. It is a safe place for Post-Mormons to share their story, to vent if they have had a difficult week, and to make friends.

If asked if we associate with Christianity Joseph will say he is unsure if there is a higher power but that he thinks some of the scripture stories have a good message that can be applied. I am still holding onto my faith in Christ but won’t claim that I am 100% sure because it is impossible for me to know.

However, we still have many of the same values of a Mormon and try our best to teach our kids life lessons by sharing stories with a good moral and by being a good example and serving others.